Johanna Sayers, 18851952 (aged 66 years)

Name
Johanna /Sayers/
Given names
Johanna
Surname
Sayers
Note: Shop keepers

Shop keepers
Strand Street, Dingle

Birth
Baptism
14 December 1885 34 22 (aged 0 days)
Prime Minister of the United Kingdom
Robert Gascoyne-Cecil
from 23 April 1880 to 1 February 1886
Prime Minister of the United Kingdom
William Ewart Gladstone
from 1 February 1886 to 25 July 1886
Baptism of a brother
Birth of a brother
Birth of a brother
Baptism of a brother
Birth of a sister
Note: Civil record says

Civil record says
Kate
10 Apr 1891
Knockavrogeen
Kildrum
Father: James Sayers Knockavrogeen Farmer
Mother: Johanna Sayers formerly Horgan
registered: James Sayers father Knockavrogeen 15May 1891

Baptism of a sister
Death of a maternal grandfather
Baptism of a brother
Death of a paternal grandfather
Note: YOD based on change of farm tenancy to his son James recorded in Land Registry book
British Queen
Victoria
from 20 June 1837 to 22 January 1901
Prime Minister of the United Kingdom
Robert Gascoyne-Cecil
from 25 July 1886 to 15 August 1892
Birth of a brother
Note: Bap says born 15 Feb 1893

Bap says born 15 Feb 1893
Civil record says
21st Mar 1893
Knockavrogeen
Kildrum
Dingle
Father: James Sayers Knockavrogeen Farmer
Mother: Johanna Sayers formerly Horgan
informant: mother, knockavrogeen
registered: 3 May 1893

Baptism of a brother
Prime Minister of the United Kingdom
William Ewart Gladstone
from 15 August 1892 to 5 March 1894
Birth of a brother
Prime Minister of the United Kingdom
Archibald Primrose
from 5 March 1894 to 25 June 1895
Baptism of a brother
Birth of a brother
Death of a mother
Note: Her husband was a widower in 1901 census

Her husband was a widower in 1901 census

Lots of her children emigrated to USA shortly after. Sad.

Census
Prime Minister of the United Kingdom
Robert Gascoyne-Cecil
from 25 June 1895 to 12 July 1902
The Boer War
Battle for control of southern Africa
from 11 October 1899 to 31 May 1902
Immigration
British King
Edward VII
from 22 January 1901 to 6 May 1910
Prime Minister of the United Kingdom
Arthur Balfour
from 12 July 1902 to 5 December 1905
Prime Minister of the United Kingdom
Henry Campbell-Bannerman
from 5 December 1905 to 5 April 1908
Death of a maternal grandmother
Prime Minister of the United Kingdom
Herbert Henry Asquith
from 5 April 1908 to 6 December 1916
Olympic Games
Games of the IV Olympiad
from 27 April 1908 to 31 October 1908
London, England
British King
George V
from 6 May 1910 to 20 January 1936
The Great War
Death of a brother
Death of a sister
Address: Workhouse
Prime Minister of the United Kingdom
David Lloyd George
from 6 December 1916 to 23 October 1922
Prime Minister of the United Kingdom
Bonar Law
from 23 October 1922 to 22 May 1923
Prime Minister of the United Kingdom
Stanley Baldwin
from 22 May 1923 to 22 January 1924
Event
Returned to Ireland
about 1932
Note: She returned to Dingle. See jtdurkin tree on Ancestry for evidence she remained single while in USA and that she was no longer in directory as living with her Uncle.
Death of a father
Note: Found a Death for James Sayers age 82 died oct-dec 1933 which would match. But not enough evidence really. Would need to order certificate.

Found a Death for James Sayers age 82 died oct-dec 1933 which would match. But not enough evidence really. Would need to order certificate.

Update: I found burial info so this is correct

rennybecarole on ancestry has
death record 139
Date: 28 nov 1933
Knockavrogeen
James Sayers
windower
age: 82
Farmer
Cause: Probably Senile Decay. No Med attend
Informant: Bridie Sears present at death Knockavrogeen
registered 13 Dec 1933

Burial of a father
Prime Minister of the United Kingdom
Ramsey MacDonald
from 22 January 1924 to 7 June 1935
Marriage
British King
Edward VII
from 20 January 1936 to 11 December 1936
Prime Minister of the United Kingdom
Stanley Baldwin
from 7 June 1935 to 28 May 1937
British King
George VI
from 11 December 1936 to 6 February 1952
Prime Minister of the United Kingdom
Neville Chamberlain
from 28 May 1937 to 10 May 1940
Prime Minister of the United Kingdom
Winston Churchill
from 10 May 1940 to 26 July 1945
World War 2
Prime Minister of the United Kingdom
Clement Atlee
from 26 July 1945 to 26 October 1951
National Health Service
Free healthcare for all
from 5 July 1948
Olympic Games
Games of the XIV Olympiad
from 29 July 1948 to 14 August 1948
London, England
Burial of a husband
Note: This is a bit of a guess but would make sense
British Queen
Elizabeth II
from 6 February 1952
Prime Minister of the United Kingdom
Winston Churchill
from 26 October 1951 to 6 April 1955
Burial
Note: I think it is her because...

I think it is her because...

  • The person given as being responsible is Thomas Sayers
  • I know from talking to relatives that a Johanna Sayers married a Tom O'Shea
  • The age given would match exactly with her DOB
Family with parents
father
18511933
Birth: 16 June 1851 30 30 Knockavrogeen, Kerry, Ireland
Death: 1933
mother
18631896
Birth: 22 February 1863 37 27 Gurrane, Kerry, Ireland
Death: 1 August 1896Dingle, Kerry, Ireland
Religious marriage Religious marriage17 February 1885Ballyferriter, Kerry, Ireland
10 months
herself
18851952
Birth: 14 December 1885 34 22 Dingle, Kerry, Ireland
Burial: 24 June 1952Kildrum, Knockavrogeen, Kerry
16 months
younger brother
Thomas Sayers
18871964
Birth: 27 June 1887 36 24 Dingle, Kerry, Ireland
Death: 8 February 1964Tralee, Kerry, Ireland
23 months
younger brother
18891920
Birth: 15 February 1889 37 25 Dingle, Kerry, Ireland
Death: 1920
2 years
younger sister
18911922
Birth: 24 January 1891 39 27 Dingle, Kerry, Ireland
Death: 9 March 1922Dingle, Kerry, Ireland
2 years
younger brother
18931970
Birth: 15 February 1893 41 29 Dingle, Kerry, Ireland
Death: 1970
22 months
younger brother
18941962
Birth: 11 December 1894 43 31 Dingle, Kerry, Ireland
Death: 1962
18 months
younger brother
18961973
Birth: 3 June 1896 44 33 Dingle, Kerry, Ireland
Death: September 1973
Family with Thomas O'Shea
husband
18951949
Birth: 23 November 1895 36 38 Strand, Dingle, Kerry
Burial: 10 November 1949Kildrum, Knockavrogeen, Kerry
herself
18851952
Birth: 14 December 1885 34 22 Dingle, Kerry, Ireland
Burial: 24 June 1952Kildrum, Knockavrogeen, Kerry
Marriage Marriage1936Dingle, Kerry, Ireland
Census
Shared note

House 3 Knockavrogeen 1901 Irish Census

namerelageoccupationmarry
James SayersHead40FarmerWidower
Hannah SayersDau15Farmers DauSingle
Thomas SayersSon13Farmers SonSingle
Denis SayersSon11ScholarSingle
Catherine SayersDau9ScholarSingle
John SayersSon7ScholarSingle
Michael SayersSon6Single
James SayersSon4Single

See John Durkin notes on Mikes PC under "Family Tree/Census/Ireland"

Event

She returned to Dingle. See jtdurkin tree on Ancestry for evidence she remained single while in USA and that she was no longer in directory as living with her Uncle.

Name

Shop keepers
Strand Street, Dingle

Burial

I think it is her because...

  • The person given as being responsible is Thomas Sayers
  • I know from talking to relatives that a Johanna Sayers married a Tom O'Shea
  • The age given would match exactly with her DOB
Shared note

Denis Sears migration to USA

This is wrong in places

Denis Sayers I875

Denis left Ireland for America onboard the SS Majestic aged 11. He was travelling with his sister Hannah (16) and his father Thomas (52).
The ship left Ireland from Queenstown in Cork on the 22nd May 1902, now known as Cobh, and arived in New York a week later on 29th May 1902.

The ship SS Majestic was a steamship operated by the White Star Line. Built in Belfast in 1890 by Harland and Wolff it held the coveted Blue Riband accolade in 1891 for the fastest time for a passenger ship crossing the Atlantic with a time of 5d 18h 5m. In 1895 her captain was Edward Smith who went on to become the captain of the Titanic. It was able to carry 1,500 passengers.

There were 11 other people from Dingle on the ship. All were single.

According to the ship's log the Sayers family were planning on travelling to Holyoke, Massachussets to stay with Thomas's brother Denis at 19 Brook St Holyoke Holyoke, Mass.

Moving on 18 years to the 1920 US Census.

I found a Denis Sears, age 30, in the Holy Family Institute, Holyoke City, Hampden, Mass
I'm not sure what the Holy Family Institute was. I think it was an Orphanage. The census showed many boys up to the age of 14 listed as inmates. Denis was a labourer. The census said he arrived in the USA in 1902, which was correct. His age would also be right.

I also found another Denis (my mum's uncle I97), age 30 with his wife Julia A Sears and daughters Anna L age 2 years 6 months and Margerita M age 10 months.
I have been told that my mum's uncle Denis married a Julia Lucy which would suggest this is the correct Denis. This Denis says he arrived in America in 1910 and his wife in 1912. His occupation was Paper Maker in a paper mill. I can't find a record of Denis arriving in 1910 though in the ships logs.

I've searched everywhere fo a Sears Lucy marriage but can't find one. Checked Ireland and USA

Problems:

it says Denis is 11 when he should be 15.

It does say they are from Dingle and I have searched the birth records for a Denis Sayers from Dingle and haven't found another

Also on the ships log it says that the person paying for the childrens ticket was their uncle.

Notes:

The ship is known as SS Majestic (1890) because it was built in 1890
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Majestic_%281890%29

Denis's age was actually given as 11. According to his birth cert he would have been 15.

Sayers Tho's|M|52y|S|Irish|Dingle|
Sayers Hannah R.|F|16y|S|Irish|Dingle|
Sayers Denis|M|11y|S|Irish|Dingle|

Others on board from Dingle:
Foley, Mary 24y
Bowler, Katie 20y
Moriarty, Daniel 30y
Seyers, Garret 21y
Fenton, Jno 18y
Galway, Josie 17y
Bowles, Hannah 19y
Creighton, Nellie 16y
Curran, Nora 19y
Collins, Julia 18y
Fitzgerald, Hanna 15y

Looking for James Sears
There are lots of records of a James Sears working on various ships as a crew member. Usually a Waiter or Mess Waiter. He
is 5foot 7 and 155lbs. Age 22 in 1922 and British. So that isn't quite right as my James was born 1896 and is of course Irish.
But its a possible. Ship is the Rosalind from St Johns, Newfoundland.
Also later on different ship The Silvia 1924. 5foot 7 and 140lbs. Occ: Officers Mess.
and later 5' 7" 130lbs. He is losing weight rapidly!
Red Cross Line. Bowring and Co, Liverpool, England.
This could be mine but mistake to assume it is.
There are other James Sears es and James Sayers. Its a common name. There is one who is definitely wrong. He is
James Sayers with dad Patrick Sayers Kilcooly Dingle. I do have a Patrick who might be him but no way of knowing.